tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8237917339730792916.post3016844805885413811..comments2023-11-18T11:20:35.439-05:00Comments on Johnny Pez: The Frank Miller TestJohnny Pezhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07430884010621619176noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8237917339730792916.post-50446596205599458702012-05-06T01:25:05.052-04:002012-05-06T01:25:05.052-04:00True, but then if SF authors still manage to fail ...True, but then if SF authors still manage to fail the Bechdel test it is even worse. Either it is because they don't have enough female characters, or those women still somehow manage to only talk about men.Ellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17996341046022035750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8237917339730792916.post-49462026809297779222009-09-02T03:43:46.245-04:002009-09-02T03:43:46.245-04:00I just wanted to point out that Bliss may have bee...I just wanted to point out that Bliss may have been a robot too! I loved Dors, may even have cried a bit when she died.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8237917339730792916.post-24525846272508383472007-12-08T14:39:00.000-05:002007-12-08T14:39:00.000-05:00It turns out that Asimov's Nemesis passes the Bech...It turns out that Asimov's <I>Nemesis</I> passes the Bechdel Test, since it includes several scenes where Marlene talks to her mother about non-male and non-sexual subjects. There's also a scene where Captain Wendel talks to Merry Blankowitz about the results of an experiment.Johnny Pezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07430884010621619176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8237917339730792916.post-82174922066564777762007-12-08T12:07:00.000-05:002007-12-08T12:07:00.000-05:00Interesting overview, and thanks for telling me ab...Interesting overview, and thanks for telling me about it, but I feel the most suitable tool for your task would be the <A HREF="http://wiki.feministsf.net/index.php?title=Bechdel_test" REL="nofollow">Bechdel Test</A> - originally invented for movies rather than books, but it goes for both: <BR/><BR/> 1. It has to have at least two women in it,<BR/> 2. Who talk to each other,<BR/> 3. about something besides a man. <BR/><BR/>[#3 is also sometimes rendered as: 'about something besides a man, men, or sex/romance'. There's a <I>lot</I> of good stories that fail - offhand I can't even think of a film I really adore that <I>passes</I>. I'm not much of a film nut, though.]<BR/><BR/>The 'talk to each other' part seems vital to me, because otherwise the story is portraying society as being merely interactions between men. The only Asimov I've read that passes is Foundation's Edge, and that (iirc) only because Suranoviremblastiren (she's earned her full name) takes on Harla near the end.<BR/><BR/>Kinda ironic that he was, you might say, writing for the original <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_test" REL="nofollow">Miller Test</A> - keeping sex and sexuality almost totally out of the room. I confess I never knew that Bayta was based on his wife. I love Bayta. <3thenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11851538869806389235noreply@blogger.com